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the planets puppet-masters on my shirt

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we have a plan it's clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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till we've thoroughly tested every last

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see we know the lying to us just don't

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know what to green where would we be

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Cheddar's we have read between enough

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lines by now to know that a carefully

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crafted box of convention has been

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people have become more enthralled with

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scrolling through their phones than

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discovering the real mysteries magic and

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rich hidden history that's usually all

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around them ley lines energy vortexes

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sacred geometry ancient mounds ruins

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that align with the night sky

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cannibalistic giants healing hot springs

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the amplification and harnessing of the

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Earth's natural energy flow etc etc of

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course many of these things are spread

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all across America and while a lot of

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Americans might be enamored by the Giza

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Plateau gobekli tepe or the stone

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circles of the British Isles sadly we

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are largely ignorant of the sullied

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history of our own surroundings most

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likely because the official version

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minimizes the crimes of the European

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invasion but also because many of the

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colonialists and early founders were

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deeply embedded in the esoteric arts

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Freemasonry and a plethora of other

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secret societies and they have both

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co-opted the environmental magic that

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was used by the people who were here

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before and also built and ritualized

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many of their own structures and

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monuments that harness these very same

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forces they'd rather you just know

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nothing about well we've talked about

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the free masonic layout of washington

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d.c nearly to death but we know the

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American landscape holds many other

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things of interest and that brings me to

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today's guest Corey Daniel Corey is a

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third-generation Phoenician writer

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researcher and professional guide

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currently living in the Phoenix Arizona

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area and he has spent most of his life

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immersing himself in his environment and

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learning all he can about desert flora

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physics poetry botany philosophy

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primitive survival traditional archery

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and the occult he since taken his

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passion and knowledge to the net with

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bee Phoenix enigma

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deeply fascinating website devoted to

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decoding and reverse engineering the

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esoteric symbolism history and mystery

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of the magical microcosm that is Phoenix

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Arizona

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he's blowing my mind more than once and

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I wish every major city had someone so

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dedicated to digging out the good stuff

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the teller of untold tales an esoteric

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Arizonian Explorer extraordinaire Corey

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Daniel welcome to the higher side thank

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you for the intro very much I appreciate

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yeah I wish everyone was so enthusiastic

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about my work as you are great I think

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they will be man because I mean there is

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just so much to talk about I know we're

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not going to get to it all and I've been

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really looking forward to this for a

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couple of weeks it's become really one

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of my favorite types of shows to do a

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deep look into one area or city full of

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rich history and mystery to unpack we've

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talked to guests who have become similar

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types of scholars about places like the

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Susquehanna River or the city of

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Philadelphia and I'm just pretty psyched

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to expose the audience to the awesome

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stuff you've uncovered about the Phoenix

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area and maybe to kick this off you can

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give us a little overview of your

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thoughts on Phoenix Arizona now that

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you've learned all these things and

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maybe a bit of how you got all that

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insight I mean this is not the kind of

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stuff you come across every day you know

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no you're right it's not it didn't all

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come at once it was me growing up in

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Phoenix and tell you the truth there was

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really no interest in my own town until

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I moved out of it and I moved to the

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western part of the state when I was

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about eighteen cowboyed for a few years

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and ran the family business we owned

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operated gas stations but that gas

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station where I went to was in the

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middle of nowhere it's about 300 people

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halfway to Las Vegas from Phoenix it's

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called wickiup Arizona and that town is

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probably one of the most mysterious

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places in my opinion in Arizona and I

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met an old a hippie they've been living

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there and he was into the occult and

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Egypt in the ancient mysteries I

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befriended him and we just roamed those

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deserts for years out there and when I

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moved back to Phoenix everything that I

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had become out there in that desert with

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my hometown coming back at me

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start studying and I don't know why and

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I started recognizing all the pyramids

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around Phoenix and then I got into the

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history a little bit then I became a

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I had to reinvent myself after Oh eight

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oh nine the crash came and like a lot of

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people we lost everything we had and I

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became a tour guide and just dove in a

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hundred percent into the history of

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Phoenix and that's when everything

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coalesced and if you have a background

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in the occult and you have a background

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in botany or pharmakeia or witchcraft as

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we know it and you start putting it

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together with the modern-day pieces of

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art that's commissioned and the speeches

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and then it just rolled to make a long

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story short in it there's a point at

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which all knowledge really does dovetail

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whether you're talking about Western

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history or botany or the occult there's

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a point where it all intersects and

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that's where I'm at and my bubble is

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Phoenix and I'm glad it is because it is

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a rich untapped undiscovered nest in

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hive of Freemasonry and that's what I've

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been concentrating on for the past four

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years here hmm yes it seems like a real

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hotbed for ancient civilization as well

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as being established in this round of

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human history as a free Masonic ritual

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or I don't know experiment or Haven and

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both of these things speak to some

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natural qualities that certain people

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appreciate and others miss entirely but

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if we were gonna focus on the naming or

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the founding of Phoenix or even the

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whole state of Arizona these are loaded

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names that mean something to people in

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the know how did they get them because

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you seem to be of the mindset that this

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was a very calculated free Masonic

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operation from the start right yeah

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so I'm going to give a somewhat of a

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long answer here but it's going to come

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back around the conversation when we get

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there later on to understand everything

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about Phoenix and why it is a hive of

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Freemasonry you have to understand the

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ancient culture that used to be here

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anthropologist archeologists the group

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Native Americans kind of into two groups

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tribes after 1500 or Spanish Europe

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in contact and cultures prior to that

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because we really don't know a lot about

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them and we just kind of separate them

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by artwork and burial rites trading

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patterns and architecture in the Phoenix

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area was a culture by the name of the

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Hohokam HOH okay am Hohokam

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and that's a Pima word and that's a

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local tribe today and the word Hohokam

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means those who are vanquished for those

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who are all used up

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they were here between about 300 BC and

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1425 AD and they were known for doing

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primarily two things one of which was

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digging canals they constructed a canal

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system in the Phoenix Basin or the Salt

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River Valley of over 1,000 miles of

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canals hmm 200 miles of which were

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called trunk canals they're about 70

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feet across by 20 feet deep mm-hmm and

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if you're good at math that's about 50

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4.6 million cubic yards of Earth those

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then fed out and feeder canals and

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distribution canals and they're 800

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miles of canals about 20 feet across by

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5 feet deep and they irrigated a hundred

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thousand acres of land Wow

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yeah this isn't a bunch of spear

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chucking hide we're and wagon burn and

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savages you got some serious engineering

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going on here and this is where I first

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dove in and this is the beginning of my

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journey that's why I'm starting here

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when the founding fathers got here they

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found the canals were all covered in the

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floods that had happened from 1425 since

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had just covered in all these canals and

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that's when the Hohokam

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dispersed but before we get there know

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that these canals are dug to a perfect

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gradient of three to four feet of drop

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per mile and the reason why that

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gradient is important because for the

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silt and the Salt River

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it's the perfect gradient so that it

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doesn't IIE tear out the sides of the

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canals or it doesn't deposit and fill

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them up they used Weir's which is a 3/4

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dam pointing up flow so it pressurizes

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the water to get it to go over a hill or

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pump it uphill a little bit they

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utilized flood gates and they farmed

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fish in these canals their main crop was

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cotton which harkens to Egypt if you're

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thinking along the lines here

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in fact today the Pima Indians still

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produce a cotton called pima cotton if

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you've ever bought that men shirts and

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sheets are made out of pima cotton the

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second finest cotton on earth and that's

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because the botanist came here in 1905

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found this cotton that had been grown

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for 2,000 years in the Phoenix Basin and

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hybrid it with an Egyptian strain and

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they still grow it today but to the

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point here you have this ancient culture

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called the Hohokam who constructed over

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1,000 miles of canals to a perfect

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gradient they had no written language

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they left no mathematics they had no

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metallurgy skills they had no wheel and

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they had no pack animals supposably they

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dug these canals with sharp sticks and

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flat rocks and they moved the dirt with

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baskets from yucca cactus fiber okay

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their other accomplishment was platform

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mounds we know the biggest platform

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around the United States to be at

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Cahokia in southern Illinois it has a

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footprint of about 14 acres that's one

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acre bigger than the Pyramid of Giza you

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know the Great Pyramid on the Giza

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Plateau you don't see any platform

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mounds again - you get out to Phoenix

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and when the founding fathers got here

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they found 48 of them three of which are

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still around the rest have been

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demolished in the late 1800s Early 1900s

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because it was primary farming area and

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they had to bulldoze him down and blade

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him down so they could plant in fact if

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you had a canal if you had an ancient

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ho-hum canal or a platform out on your

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property it was worth less money back in

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the day the turn of the century because

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you had to do work before he could plant

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it strangely enough but all this history

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just got bulldozed over and is still

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today underneath modern-day Phoenix you

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can go to parks in central Phoenix and

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south Phoenix and you go on the back

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there and you will find pottery shards

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all the time all this history is very

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real and relevant today when the

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founding fathers got here about eighteen

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well when they named Phoenix in 1868

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there was a couple primary fathers that

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I've written about a guy named Lord

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Daryl dupa and a fella by the name of

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Jax willing we know Lord dupa was a

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high-ranking freemason rumored to be

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1/32 but no one really has any proof of

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that he came for

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a well-to-do family in I was Wales I

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believe and he traveled the whole world

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found his way to Phoenix and made this

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his home him and Jack's willing and a

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bunch of other founding fathers we're

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sitting on some ruins some Hohokam ruins

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about a mile from the airport right now

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it's called Pueblo Grande it is a museum

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and it talks about those platform mounds

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and all those canals I just told you

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about pretty clear like 5 whole dollars

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to get in and you to walk up on top of

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this platform mound one of three left

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and they're trying to decide what to

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name our town and our name was called

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pumpkin ville that was our first name

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now people know that this pumpkin go

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everyone hated it we almost became known

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swilling after jack they almost named us

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Stonewall because most of the founding

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fathers were veterans from the War of

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Northern Aggression we almost became

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known as Celina

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after the salty River Land the Salt

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River runs through Phoenix but Lord

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Daryl dupa stood up and he says

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gentlemen this canal was constructed in

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an age now forgotten prehistoric cities

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lie in ruins all around you a great

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ancient civilization once thrived in

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this valley let the new city arise from

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its ashes

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let it be called Phoenix and that's how

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we got aim yeah it harkens right back to

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the Hohokam we were named for this

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ancient culture pretty cool he also went

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on to be in the town of Tempe you know

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you've heard a Tempe Arizona right ASU

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well Tempe was named by Lord Daryl dupa

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as well and if you've ever gone to

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Greece there is a valley called the Vale

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@mb or the Vale of Tempe and it's not

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unlike Thermopylae so it's a strategic

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location it's a gorge that runs through

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this rocky outcropping and there's only

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one way through it well the Greek

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believe that when the gods put on their

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mortal coils and came down they spent

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their time hanging out in this beautiful

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temperate green place down there well if

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you've ever been to Tempe Arizona there

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is a rock outcropping on both sides of

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the 202 freeway that goes through there

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and it's called the Papago mountains and

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that is a conglomerate rock formation

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that rises out of the alluvial fill of

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the Phoenix Basin and one

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does it pushes the water the salt river

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water up to the surface there so even in

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times of drought back in the ancient

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days there was always water right at

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Tempe Arizona

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well this spot in the 1800s reminded

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Lord dupa of timbi grease so he named it

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Tempe Arizona

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if you travel the rest of our state you

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will find Egyptian names from southern

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Arizona all the way there especially the

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Grand Canyon

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there's tons of Egyptian and Hindu names

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all through the Grand Canyon

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the Masons really got here first and

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they claimed it they grabbed all the

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resources they implemented their

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institutions and today they're still

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allocating these resources and managing

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them for whomever I don't pretend to

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know all that but that's kind of words

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that today very interesting man and I've

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interviewed so many guests and

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researchers about the idea that when it

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comes to the elite they have this secret

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religion so much of what they do has

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Egyptian or Babylonian symbolism it's

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drenched all over the place and they

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have a tendency to try to rebuild or

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recreate biblical events and locations

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and it seems like Phoenix Arizona and

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the surrounding area they're you know

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there might be something in that mix

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making a city of modern Phoenicians I

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mean phonetically they pay a lot of

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attention to those types of details it

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seems yes they do if you follow Western

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civilization we know that Sumeria was

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the first right and from there Egypt

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came out and of course you had the

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Minoans and the Phoenicians and all the

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other Jared Ike cultures in there from

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there it went into Greece and then into

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Rome and then into England or Europe

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right and London actually means new Rome

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I'm sure you know that and then we came

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over to the United States and we have

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Washington DC or the District of

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Columbia Columbia is the goddess Isis

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and then we had the Western expansion

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across the United States it's just one

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big continuation with the same religion

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the same backbone the same gods and

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goddesses with new names but it's the

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same ceremony and religion and dogma all

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the way through once you learn how to

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read it you can just go right back and

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just connect the dots all the way back

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to the beginning

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you can even go back and I've study

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other people's work and you can study

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the people in charge they're the same

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people the same families you know we all

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know that haha I just love how this

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local researcher doing ties into the big

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story and speaking of weird secret

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beliefs of the elite I was also really

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interested in Hunt's tomb for people who

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aren't familiar George W P hunt was

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Arizona's first governor and he had a

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pyramid tomb built in 1931 for his

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family and himself you also note that

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this isn't an arbitrary thing because

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it's the exact same size as the capstone

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of the Great Pyramid was of course it's

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not there now but dimensionally it fits

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and he was a high-ranking freemason who

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oversaw the dedication of every Masonic

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Lodge founded in Arizona when he was

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alive so he really seems to know some

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stuff in Egyptian mysteries and sacred

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geometry are always just a big part of

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that knowledge I guess what else do you

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find interesting about hunt or his tomb

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you know I was there this week and I

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it's just kind of on the way home and I

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stopped there and walk up there sitting

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next to the tomb I just think sometimes

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and yeah there is a pyramid technically

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it is a capstone as it measures the same

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size as the missing capstone from the

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top of the pyramid and gaze over there

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Koufos pyramid George Wiley Paul Hunt

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from Huntsville Missouri came out here

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seven-term governor of Arizona state of

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Arizona as well as I believe the

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territorial governor as well for a while

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he came out here and he was a whirlwind

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he was a badass they called him the

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walrus he was liberal I mean that in the

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Jeffersonian term liberal is a true

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liberal thinker progressive with women's

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rights and voting and all that stuff but

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he was a bona fide 32nd degree Scottish

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Rite freemason and he was all over the

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state of Arizona he was a self-made man

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if you get into his history

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tough-as-nails kind of up by the

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bootstraps kind of guy educated himself

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and if you go to Papago Park right next

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to Tempe Arizona named after you know

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the Vale of Tempe in Greece

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you will go a place called the hole in

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the rock that's a park there at Papago

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Park and near this ancient Hohokam arc

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you astronomical calendar which is just

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off to the north of the pyramid you will

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find Hunt's tomb and seven people are

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buried in that tomb with him and it

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looks identical to the pyramid on the

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back of the one dollar bill in fact it

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is the same angle I just went up there

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over this week to do some more research

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on it I took measurements and it is the

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same angle as the pyramid on the back of

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the one dollar bill that of course gets

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into the latitudinal lines and sacred

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geometry with the 72 squares you know

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bricks that are in that it is Masonic

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all the way and what's really

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frustrating as a researcher here you can

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go there and hear the Rangers and the

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Park Rangers say oh he was just a quirky

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Arizona guy and all this Egyptian stuff

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all this Freemasonry all this ancient

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occultic symbolism embedded into our

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very fabric of Arizona is dismissed

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every time as some quirky Western

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caricature you know it's frustrating it

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really is but it's there for the whole

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world to see it is white in color it has

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four inch by four inch white tiles

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interestingly enough the Egyptians of

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course covered their pyramids with that

543
00:22:01,789 --> 00:21:58,779
white limestone you can see it up to 25

544
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:01,799
to 40 miles away it's been reported

545
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:04,720
governor hunt covered his pyramid with

546
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:07,690
white tiles and the ancient Hohokam

547
00:22:11,820 --> 00:22:09,850
which we just talked about those 48

548
00:22:14,730 --> 00:22:11,830
platform mounds they believe they

549
00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:14,740
covered with a caliche which is a white

550
00:22:19,649 --> 00:22:17,740
clay about three feet under the valley

551
00:22:21,149 --> 00:22:19,659
floor in Phoenix it's the remnant of an

552
00:22:23,549 --> 00:22:21,159
ancient ocean that was here years ago

553
00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:23,559
the Western interior sea it's really

554
00:22:27,419 --> 00:22:25,929
thick and it's hard to manipulate and

555
00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:27,429
move but we know that they covered their

556
00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:29,590
platform mounds with this white clay as

557
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:31,960
well to make it visible so we have a lot

558
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:34,450
of symbology going on here with tying

559
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,490
together ancient Egypt with a modern-day

560
00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:38,799
Phoenix with the ancient Hohokam who

561
00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:41,470
lived in this valley once again not just

562
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:44,350
the pyramid itself but the pyramid is

563
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:47,110
three levels high there's three main

564
00:22:52,420 --> 00:22:50,090
levels including the stone pad it sits

565
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:52,430
and that is the three degrees of

566
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:54,290
Freemasonry you know the entered

567
00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:55,730
apprentice the fellow craft and the

568
00:22:59,530 --> 00:22:57,560
Master Mason when you look at it from

569
00:23:01,330 --> 00:22:59,540
the air on Google Earth

570
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:01,340
it looks like steps there's three steps

571
00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:05,210
as well so this has truly been built in

572
00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:07,910
three dimensions on top of an ancient

573
00:23:11,950 --> 00:23:10,220
Hohokam power point utilize from that

574
00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:11,960
ancient earth magic the ancient earth

575
00:23:17,290 --> 00:23:14,600
energy right and that was gonna be one

576
00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:17,300
of my questions for you I had pulled a

577
00:23:22,030 --> 00:23:20,390
lengthy paragraph off your website that

578
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:22,040
you pretty much gave us all the good

579
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:24,710
stuff out of your clearly recognizing

580
00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:27,320
some important details but I'm

581
00:23:32,850 --> 00:23:29,000
interested in this ancient earth magic

582
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:32,860
and the Hohokam you write that it was

583
00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:34,910
astrological magick and I'm just curious

584
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:36,590
if you can elaborate on what you think

585
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,110
the ancients were doing exactly magic

586
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:41,360
wise because I see the attraction

587
00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:43,370
to some of these energy points I see the

588
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:45,830
smoke but I don't understand the fire

589
00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:47,450
fully there seems to be differing

590
00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:49,790
opinions out there or at least some

591
00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:52,070
holes in the full picture can you tell

592
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,220
us anything more begin to urgh I spent a

593
00:23:59,890 --> 00:23:57,440
lot of time in Sedona and I understand

594
00:24:01,450 --> 00:23:59,900
the theories about the earth energy and

595
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:01,460
the ley lines the dragon lines I have

596
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,110
Navajo friends and Native American

597
00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:05,360
friends that talk about this roundabout

598
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:07,280
but I don't pretend to understand

599
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:08,810
exactly how it works other than that

600
00:24:15,910 --> 00:24:11,810
there are points on the earth obviously

601
00:24:17,230 --> 00:24:15,920
that these sacred sites line up with you

602
00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:17,240
can go to all the ancient megalithic

603
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:18,860
sites and there's of course video after

604
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:20,570
video a lot of people's research right

605
00:24:27,730 --> 00:24:24,110
from Peru to Egypt to Turkey all over

606
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:27,740
and these sites are always there when

607
00:24:30,460 --> 00:24:29,210
the Muslims come in and conquer the

608
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:30,470
Christians they'll tear down a church

609
00:24:33,970 --> 00:24:32,690
and build it right on top of that church

610
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:33,980
when the Christians don't take over the

611
00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:35,210
pagans they'll build their churches

612
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:38,030
right on top of that as the same thing

613
00:24:44,890 --> 00:24:41,360
with this continent I don't believe that

614
00:24:47,650 --> 00:24:44,900
the European colonization of America was

615
00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:47,660
the first time other people were over

616
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:49,670
here it's obviously on the pale to me

617
00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:52,250
that we have been here over and over and

618
00:24:56,410 --> 00:24:54,260
over again how many times who knows but

619
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,420
we know in about 10,000 years everything

620
00:24:59,680 --> 00:24:58,400
goes back to dirt rust dissolves it's

621
00:25:02,260 --> 00:24:59,690
gone you don't even know that it was

622
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:02,270
there except for the mines the ancient

623
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:03,110
mines right

624
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,650
the

625
00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:05,120
you think build out a stone that stuff

626
00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:07,880
sticks around right and that's what

627
00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:10,220
we're finding across this country and

628
00:25:13,540 --> 00:25:12,200
Arizona today you know I worked at the

629
00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:13,550
Grand Canyon for a year and they find

630
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,860
but as far as hunt goes as far as the

631
00:25:24,970 --> 00:25:23,120
tomb goes I've been going through the

632
00:25:28,510 --> 00:25:24,980
actual Phoenix itself and there are

633
00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:28,520
powerpoints and there are buildings of

634
00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:31,220
significance at certain locations in the

635
00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:32,630
Phoenix Valley and all that later if you

636
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:35,000
want as well but this Papago Park is

637
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:36,350
definitely a power point

638
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:39,290
the military has an underground base

639
00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:41,300
right there I don't know if you know

640
00:25:46,270 --> 00:25:43,820
that or not hmm didn't know that yeah on

641
00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:46,280
the west side of this park its bedrock

642
00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:47,780
it's really hard conglomerate rock and

643
00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:49,160
they go straight down and a buddy of

644
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:50,750
mine was a contractor there he says it

645
00:25:55,810 --> 00:25:53,270
goes down seven or eight levels hmm and

646
00:25:57,730 --> 00:25:55,820
no one really in Phoenix knows that but

647
00:25:58,810 --> 00:25:57,740
yeah why is the military they're doing

648
00:26:01,240 --> 00:25:58,820
what they're doing is it just a hardened

649
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:01,250
vocation I don't know but I can't find

650
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:03,110
anything else about that it's mums the

651
00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:05,240
word on that you know right and there

652
00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:07,390
are just so many interesting little

653
00:26:12,610 --> 00:26:10,160
bullet points and red flags you can

654
00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:12,620
point to that there's just something in

655
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:15,140
the periphery here in Phoenix that a lot

656
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:17,150
of people seem to know about but it's

657
00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:19,460
under wraps it's in the shadows and you

658
00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:21,350
probably have to be initiated to really

659
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:23,750
get a handle on exactly why it's

660
00:26:26,830 --> 00:26:25,490
important and what those ancients were

661
00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:26,840
doing I mean obviously that's a big

662
00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:28,790
question I can't expect you to know but

663
00:26:33,790 --> 00:26:30,560
I definitely noticed those same patterns

664
00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:33,800
of rebuilding on the Earth's energy grid

665
00:26:38,650 --> 00:26:36,380
and just a certain the even military

666
00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:38,660
bases internationally we're told are

667
00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:40,430
usually about controlling these places

668
00:26:45,010 --> 00:26:43,190
banks churches yes everything they can

669
00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:45,020
do and let me ask you I guess a little

670
00:26:48,970 --> 00:26:47,150
more practical question that I've heard

671
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:48,980
you talk about that I also just think is

672
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:50,630
quite interesting I never really thought

673
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:52,760
about it much but you've written about

674
00:26:57,370 --> 00:26:55,370
the natural environment in Arizona

675
00:27:00,670 --> 00:26:57,380
itself and how similar it is to places

676
00:27:03,130 --> 00:27:00,680
where civilizations tend to develop why

677
00:27:06,090 --> 00:27:03,140
is this template of a dry desert with a

678
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:06,100
river running through it so typical for

679
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:08,630
civilizations as a starting place as

680
00:27:15,460 --> 00:27:12,290
opposed to areas that are more lush yeah

681
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:15,470
this occurred to me after my probably

682
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:17,570
400 tour down here

683
00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:19,490
given Sonoran desert ethnobotanical

684
00:27:23,860 --> 00:27:21,380
tours and it really occurred to me one

685
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:23,870
day these people were thriving these

686
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,720
ancient Hohokam were thriving first of

687
00:27:30,910 --> 00:27:29,120
all there are six rivers that meet in

688
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,920
Phoenix right we have the Gila River the

689
00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:33,200
Salt River the Verde New River Agua Fria

690
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:35,750
and the Hacienda some of those meet the

691
00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:36,830
other rivers but they needed a place

692
00:27:40,330 --> 00:27:38,420
called phase three dos which is about

693
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:40,340
seven miles west of downtown Phoenix

694
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:43,850
so imagine hundreds of years ago six

695
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:47,600
riparian lush water systems flowing in

696
00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:49,970
from three directions into the valley

697
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:51,950
where gently rolls through and can be

698
00:27:56,890 --> 00:27:55,040
irrigated and farmed those were highways

699
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:56,900
back in the day going out to the great

700
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,570
plains with New Mexico up to the Anasazi

701
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:02,240
culture in the Four Corners area to all

702
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:05,090
the Sinagua nagua free and muggy on

703
00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:07,010
Salado cultures to the north all the way

704
00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:08,120
to the Grand Canyon and then the

705
00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:09,500
battalion culture in the Colorado

706
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:12,620
Plateau to the West everything and

707
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:14,900
anything flooding from anywhere in

708
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:16,450
America down had to come through Phoenix

709
00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:18,890
anything from the Yucatan up had to come

710
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:22,400
right through Phoenix and it's evident

711
00:28:25,630 --> 00:28:24,170
from these canal systems the amount of

712
00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:25,640
Labor and time would have taken to

713
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:27,080
Dunham's that people have been here for

714
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:30,620
a long time probably the beginning we

715
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:32,210
look over to the middle east

716
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:35,510
you have Iraq you have Afghanistan

717
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:40,070
Pakistan right these deserts where we

718
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:43,960
know that civilization started maybe not

719
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:46,670
humanity but civilization definitely the

720
00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:48,770
first recorded civilization was summer

721
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:52,070
and that is modern-day Baghdad and it's

722
00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:53,690
because in my opinion that it is a

723
00:28:58,450 --> 00:28:56,660
desert you have a hot dry climate with

724
00:29:01,570 --> 00:28:58,460
perennial water sources coming through

725
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,580
this allows for three to four planting

726
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:03,440
seasons per year especially if you have

727
00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:05,480
good grain like corn you can get to

728
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:07,550
plantings of that then your tubers right

729
00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:09,290
in the fall if you've ever garden in

730
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:10,820
your spring greens and your fall greens

731
00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:14,690
you can farm as the water comes in and

732
00:29:20,020 --> 00:29:17,260
floods your rivers like the Nile it

733
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:20,030
redeposits more nutrients right and then

734
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:21,170
it goes back down again so you have a

735
00:29:25,630 --> 00:29:24,290
cycle there are no tropical diseases

736
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,640
because you're not in the jungle right

737
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:27,840
so you don't have to fight that

738
00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:30,510
life is a little tougher in certain ways

739
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:33,659
and we see a lot of violence coming out

740
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:36,690
of jungle cultures right all the way

741
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:37,860
around the world no matter what

742
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:39,330
continent you're on and they say it's

743
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:40,890
because the anthropologists say it's

744
00:29:44,390 --> 00:29:43,140
because life is easier so people you

745
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:44,400
know idle hand the devil's work they

746
00:29:47,659 --> 00:29:45,570
spend a lot of time fighting instead of

747
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:47,669
surviving and they put all their energy

748
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:49,230
to that and they just develop violent

749
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,179
cultures well you don't see a lot of

750
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:53,760
violent cultures developing in desert

751
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:55,289
cultures and because of that you have

752
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:57,539
more cooperative cultures like the Hopi

753
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:00,600
like the ancient Arab cultures and you

754
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:02,460
have no snow you have no downtime you

755
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,070
don't have to plan and sit around for

756
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:06,720
six months you know you can keep working

757
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:09,210
this allows for more food this allows

758
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:12,020
for more time they start developing

759
00:30:17,419 --> 00:30:15,570
technologies and more religion and ideas

760
00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:17,429
and kind of just gets a jumpstart on

761
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,470
civilization I don't think it's a

762
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,679
coincidence that we see these ancient

763
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:23,640
technology in the canals and the

764
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,940
platform mounds here in Phoenix that we

765
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:30,000
see in the Middle East yeah man I just

766
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,230
thought a lot of that was really

767
00:30:35,299 --> 00:30:32,880
fascinating because I never thought

768
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,309
about it much either especially the

769
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,980
point you just made about the scale of

770
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:40,020
violence and jungle cultures versus

771
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:42,450
something like ancient Egypt or these

772
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:45,419
places that are more desert like I mean

773
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:47,250
I definitely think there's a link

774
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,490
between place and psyche that we are as

775
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:52,500
much a part of our environment as our

776
00:30:56,899 --> 00:30:55,020
environments a part of us and I don't

777
00:30:59,060 --> 00:30:56,909
know there's something there but just

778
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,070
the idea of there being less disease

779
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:02,159
milder winter fewer dangerous animals or

780
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,260
at least better visibility yeah River

781
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:06,720
travel for trade trade those are just

782
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:10,260
great points and it's weird to think

783
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:14,100
about Arizona in that context of being a

784
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:16,049
match for all that and then you know you

785
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,700
get into reading between the lines of

786
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:19,860
its history and maybe there's been

787
00:31:25,639 --> 00:31:23,190
multiple cultural layers some some of

788
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:25,649
them obviously suppressed and it all

789
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,200
just forms a pretty interesting picture

790
00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:30,539
of the area when we generally write off

791
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:32,820
the Southwest you know we don't think

792
00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:35,220
about the American Southwest generally

793
00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:36,990
as all that interesting but it

794
00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:39,870
definitely seems to be no and I'll tell

795
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:41,680
you what I tell people when I

796
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:44,530
take him out into the desert on tour we

797
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:47,260
think of America starting with the Old

798
00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:48,610
West fight with the Cowboys but it

799
00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:50,140
didn't going backwards

800
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:52,060
we had the Americans right and then we

801
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:53,950
had the Mexicans part of the XSL Mexico

802
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,710
and then it was a Spaniel nueva or New

803
00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:58,720
Spain right prior to that it was pea

804
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,480
Maria Alta which was the Pima empire

805
00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:04,240
prior to that it was the whole calm for

806
00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:06,940
sixteen hundred years prior to that it

807
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,160
was the archaic cultures and the basket

808
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:10,960
weaving cultures we know prior to that

809
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:12,730
it was the Clovis cultures that's about

810
00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:14,920
as far as we can really find stuff going

811
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:17,620
back on but when you get into the

812
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:19,570
stories of Atlantis and play it on

813
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:22,510
Aristotle they talk about faraway lands

814
00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:25,030
when you talk about more modern like the

815
00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:26,560
Ming Dynasty right Ming send out the

816
00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:30,670
Starfleet and he sent what 300 ships

817
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:33,340
forward I believe and two didn't come

818
00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:35,110
back for about five years they FICA

819
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:37,780
Mixon we discovered this great huge land

820
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:40,300
off to the east and we got off the ships

821
00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:41,710
and Winn inland and there was this huge

822
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:43,240
Canyon we couldn't get to the bottom of

823
00:32:47,490 --> 00:32:45,850
his massive unfathomable this document

824
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:47,500
it could only be the Grand Canyon you

825
00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:49,510
know when I spent time with a medicine

826
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:51,700
man by the name of man ma NN up on the

827
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:53,410
wall up high Indian Reservation years

828
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:55,450
ago I get to sit up on a mountaintop

829
00:32:59,760 --> 00:32:57,010
with him for about eight hours and just

830
00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:59,770
listen to him and he said that he was

831
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:01,240
hunting bears a boy sometime in the

832
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:03,580
1930s he was down them canyons was a

833
00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:05,080
tributary coming into the Grand Canyon

834
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:08,260
he said he took refuge in a cave and he

835
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:10,390
began finding symbols didn't know what

836
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,610
they were years later he found out they

837
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:14,080
were Chinese he went back and wrote them

838
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:16,210
all down and there's ancient Chinese

839
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:18,250
written on these cave systems all

840
00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:19,900
through the Grand can he says we all

841
00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:21,040
know about him that aldair he says

842
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,620
Chinese were here prior to the Americans

843
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:25,840
prior to the Spanish without a doubt he

844
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:27,520
speaks what matter-of-factly I think

845
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:29,310
people been coming here for a long time

846
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,230
well not only just coming there but

847
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:34,720
making your way to some remote natural

848
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:36,400
beauty and then feeling the need to

849
00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:39,070
carve something in it is a very human

850
00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:41,020
thing to do if you've ever been anywhere

851
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:43,900
remote or unique kind of a sad thing

852
00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:45,910
really but at least in this context it's

853
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:47,920
a clue to the truth and the fact that

854
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,590
someone would do that at any time depth

855
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:53,440
is very easy for me to believe it just

856
00:33:57,780 --> 00:33:55,000
makes sense

857
00:34:00,600 --> 00:33:57,790
yeah when you go through and you you

858
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:00,610
kind of study European colonization

859
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:02,290
we're all taught in school that they

860
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:04,330
thought the world was flat right and

861
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:06,310
they took a big chance coming over here

862
00:34:11,970 --> 00:34:09,310
BS you know absolute BS the mores

863
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:11,980
knew that it was round they knew it was

864
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,410
over here ponce de leon sailed with the

865
00:34:17,970 --> 00:34:16,720
moors and he knew that there was a

866
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:17,980
spring over here we'll get into that

867
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:20,710
later but everyone knew the Chinese knew

868
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:22,210
that the earth was round and they came

869
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:23,830
over and it's already flat earthers out

870
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,770
I respect your opinion you have great

871
00:34:33,390 --> 00:34:28,720
arguments by the way but well that's

872
00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:33,400
something yeah when we came over here I

873
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:35,860
have a sneaky suspicion that these

874
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:38,710
ancient societies and the monarchy knew

875
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:41,290
they knew monarchy was changing and the

876
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,720
next phase was being laid out they got

877
00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:44,560
here first

878
00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:47,620
they staked their claim and they made

879
00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:50,350
their Western expansion and claimed all

880
00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:52,780
this territory from Arizona I mean all

881
00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:54,100
of it the whole to our country was taken

882
00:34:57,780 --> 00:34:56,500
by Mason's hmm I don't know if you

883
00:35:00,570 --> 00:34:57,790
noticed but everyone who died at the

884
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:00,580
Alamo they're all Freemasons no they

885
00:35:04,410 --> 00:35:02,410
found Billy the kids apron a couple

886
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:04,420
years back Pat Garrett was a Mason all

887
00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:06,370
these Western men were Masons they all

888
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:08,070
came out Buffalo Bill Cody was a Mason

889
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:11,140
the histories of Southwest and masonry

890
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:14,290
and further to my point the conquering

891
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:17,410
and the acquisition and managing of the

892
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:19,090
resources and that's what this is all

893
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:21,130
about it's the control of the resources

894
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:23,800
and that's where my research ties into

895
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:25,330
the all this ancient history they're

896
00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:27,100
still here in Phoenix and they're laying

897
00:35:30,690 --> 00:35:29,260
out their fingerprints all over and they

898
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:30,700
manage the insurance companies and they

899
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:32,290
manage the water SRP the Salt River

900
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:34,450
Project and the Colorado River pact

901
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:37,210
because water is life out here they

902
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:38,770
manage the politics all of it the

903
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:40,690
direction where the new highways are

904
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:42,910
gonna go all these powerpoints and they

905
00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:45,160
put their little their little shrines up

906
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,600
everywhere they can to mark their

907
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:47,440
territory

908
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:48,940
right out in the open for those who have

909
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:51,780
the eyes to see yeah and it's all over

910
00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:54,220
absolutely resource management something

911
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:55,900
we take for granted because we get water

912
00:35:59,130 --> 00:35:57,850
piped into our house so we just don't

913
00:36:00,960 --> 00:35:59,140
really think about it all that much but

914
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:00,970
I live in San Diego where they're

915
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,950
finding people for watering their lawn

916
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:05,200
meanwhile I Drive down the highway and I

917
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:08,650
see just these massive big Agri farms

918
00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:10,450
they're just watering dirt or it's

919
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,700
watering the highway Road like they're

920
00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:14,800
wasting gallons and so it's all about

921
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:17,380
well you regular people need to conserve

922
00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:19,890
but we can't even touch the waste that

923
00:36:24,750 --> 00:36:22,360
agricultural corporations are doing and

924
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:24,760
of course they get a free pass so it's

925
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:26,470
just an interesting little side note but

926
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:28,990
this is really awesome and I'm sure you

927
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:31,120
have just many many personal anecdotes

928
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:34,150
that are fascinating to someone like me

929
00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:35,770
and to switch gears just a bit I like

930
00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:37,780
this one section of your bio where you

931
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:40,600
say for a while you rode for a local

932
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:42,550
ranch working cattle the old way and

933
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,740
teamed up with an old prospector to

934
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:46,480
explore the surrounding mountains and

935
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:49,030
valleys many afternoons were spent in

936
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:50,980
trading posts listening to first-hand

937
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:54,160
accounts of ruins lost mines secret

938
00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:56,230
springs and the caves deep in the desert

939
00:37:01,290 --> 00:36:58,420
you then headed into the desert and

940
00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:01,300
found those places and more I mean wow

941
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,580
man I'm always particularly interested

942
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:05,200
in stories of caves and underground

943
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:07,210
cities and they pop up all over the

944
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:10,210
southwest there's a pretty famous 40 in

945
00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:12,010
story of finding the ruins of an ancient

946
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:13,840
underground city of Giants in Death

947
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:16,900
Valley for example sure but I'm curious

948
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:19,150
what you could tell us about Lost mines

949
00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:21,550
or caves in that area that you find most

950
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:23,320
interesting or have tried to find

951
00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:27,670
yourself so when I was living in wickiup

952
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:30,520
at 18 I met up with an old prospect my

953
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,980
name of Jim Miller I mean he was just a

954
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:35,440
modern-day shady pirate of a guy you

955
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:38,140
know that proverbial man with a pickaxe

956
00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:39,730
and the mule wandering on the desert

957
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:41,800
yeah that was this dude he had a limp if

958
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,150
he had a patch it'd be pretty actually

959
00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:45,280
he did have a fake eye so you know this

960
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:47,380
was him and we just clicked he was a

961
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:49,930
cool cat he was in the prospecting he

962
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,380
knew Carlos Castaneda from California he

963
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,880
known him for 10 years and worked with

964
00:37:58,260 --> 00:37:56,560
him over there so he had all these crazy

965
00:38:01,110 --> 00:37:58,270
stories and for an 18 year old boy that

966
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:01,120
was awesome I was studying botany at the

967
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:03,070
time and he was in the prospect he had a

968
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:06,130
perpetual gold fever so we teamed up and

969
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:10,330
I would go help him find mineral in the

970
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:12,850
desert because certain plants grow where

971
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:15,190
certain minerals are heavier right you

972
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:16,210
know copy are you gonna find more

973
00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:18,010
junipers you're gonna find Ocotillo

974
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:20,230
cactus over limestone deposits which is

975
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:21,960
indicative of caves on and on

976
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:24,510
so we teamed up doing all that there

977
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:27,390
were some cowboys old Mexican Cowboys

978
00:38:31,579 --> 00:38:29,220
have been up in that area forever and

979
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,589
they had tell me about these spots back

980
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,119
in the desert where these caves and

981
00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:35,579
Cavett's and I went back there

982
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,619
we found these Indian burial grounds we

983
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,680
found places where people don't go

984
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:42,240
people think that everything's been

985
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,609
found out here in the desert you know

986
00:38:49,819 --> 00:38:47,599
Gregg if you think about it probably Oh

987
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:49,829
what percentage of people do you say get

988
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,510
out here and walk around in the Arizona

989
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:53,339
Southwest in the backcountry

990
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,040
oh man almost none because I just

991
00:39:00,339 --> 00:38:58,680
recently drove to and from Vegas and I

992
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:00,349
know it's obviously not the same but

993
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:03,150
everywhere you look you just think go

994
00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:06,599
500 feet off this road and who knows the

995
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:08,700
last time a person actually stood there

996
00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:10,890
right we just drive on these two-lane

997
00:39:16,339 --> 00:39:13,950
highways you don't ever walk out even a

998
00:39:18,319 --> 00:39:16,349
hundred feet from that road yeah I'd say

999
00:39:19,819 --> 00:39:18,329
probably 20 30 percent of the US

1000
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:19,829
population is healthy enough to go

1001
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:21,720
backpacking in this often no trail

1002
00:39:25,549 --> 00:39:23,849
rugged stuff out of them probably 2

1003
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:25,559
percent have the inclination to do so

1004
00:39:28,819 --> 00:39:27,720
and out of them probably almost none of

1005
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:28,829
them know what they're looking at once

1006
00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:29,790
they get out there because they're just

1007
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,990
out there for recreation you know

1008
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,520
watching the birds and you know the

1009
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:34,079
rocks they're not looking for ruin

1010
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:37,380
systems or ancient markings or how it

1011
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:38,670
all plays in line with the ancient

1012
00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:40,950
history and the patterns of migration so

1013
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:42,270
if you go out there looking for the

1014
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:43,650
right things you're gonna find stuff

1015
00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:45,750
it's out there right now just laying

1016
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:46,950
there waiting for someone to connect

1017
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,049
those dots Coronado

1018
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:50,880
I'm sorry Corner Cortez came up through

1019
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:52,170
the Big Sandy Valley that's where

1020
00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:55,410
wickiups at a friend of mine showed me

1021
00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:58,619
years ago Jimmy I'm not gonna give his

1022
00:40:02,000 --> 00:39:59,579
last name I don't when his family

1023
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:02,010
harassed but he pulled out these beads

1024
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:03,690
and he showed me these strings of beads

1025
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,460
that he had and they were a clay a

1026
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:07,920
hardened clay and here's where we go

1027
00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:10,200
down the rabbit hole partner yeah I saw

1028
00:40:13,309 --> 00:40:11,819
these beads firsthand I touched him I

1029
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:13,319
looked at him for a couple hours while

1030
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:15,510
we made biscuits and bacon and sat there

1031
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,260
and talked come to find out later he

1032
00:40:23,260 --> 00:40:21,680
dies and

1033
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:23,270
I try to track these beads down last

1034
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:26,270
year I talked to his buddy and I get a

1035
00:40:29,410 --> 00:40:27,770
hold of me says yeah man you know we

1036
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,420
didn't know about those beads he thought

1037
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,000
I'm in a cave hmm about 12 miles north

1038
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:33,920
of wickiup off to the side of the

1039
00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:35,570
highway there he said he found him in

1040
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:38,140
the 1970s and they had these little

1041
00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:40,010
edgings all around and they weren't

1042
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:41,240
smooth they had edgings we didn't know

1043
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:42,350
what the riding were that's why he had

1044
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:43,520
showed me because he knew that I studied

1045
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:45,890
ancient cultures at that time come to

1046
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:48,410
find out they took him to an expert and

1047
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:52,400
they were Polynesian Wow Polynesian

1048
00:40:56,050 --> 00:40:53,810
that's what the guy told me says these

1049
00:40:58,270 --> 00:40:56,060
are without a doubt now back in the late

1050
00:40:59,650 --> 00:40:58,280
70s he had contacted the Smithsonian

1051
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,660
Institute and told him that he had him

1052
00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:01,760
and he mailed him over there he got a

1053
00:41:04,990 --> 00:41:03,350
phone call about two weeks later saying

1054
00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:05,000
he got any more of these he's like nope

1055
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:06,620
you know of course he had hundreds more

1056
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:08,210
he said what is it they said well we

1057
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:09,290
don't know yet we're gonna hang on to

1058
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:10,400
these if you find any more you let us

1059
00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:11,690
know we're just gonna keep these so they

1060
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:12,740
wouldn't even give them back they

1061
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:15,440
wouldn't tell him but they were

1062
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:17,210
Polynesian when they took him in again

1063
00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:20,450
the guy looked into the grooves in the

1064
00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:23,600
clay and they found micro etchings in

1065
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:26,990
the groove Wow of this Polynesian

1066
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,470
language yeah and that's one thing that

1067
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:32,960
we find up there in wickiup you know

1068
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:34,610
people have men have their proverbial

1069
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:36,440
man caves I have a cave cave you know I

1070
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,060
go to my cave cave up there and it's

1071
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:39,920
gonna spring in the back of it no one

1072
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,170
ever goes back there I got some initials

1073
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:44,960
from old cowboy from the 1920s I think

1074
00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:48,940
on the wall but it's an ancient Pathan

1075
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:51,230
migration camp when they came through

1076
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,700
from the Colorado Delta up to the

1077
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,560
Prescott area you know I know what it is

1078
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,000
I haven't dug down but it's there

1079
00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:57,920
there's stuff all through there and it's

1080
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,500
amazing I discovered a couple years ago

1081
00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:03,440
some pictographs on the ceiling of a

1082
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:08,780
cave not far from wickiup and I took the

1083
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:10,700
photos to an expert on pictographs and

1084
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:12,530
petroglyphs of specifically Arizona

1085
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:15,020
cultures and he could not contain

1086
00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:16,450
himself want me to take him out there

1087
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:18,980
he's written three books on you know

1088
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:21,110
this stuff but we could never come to an

1089
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:22,520
agreement as to naming rights or

1090
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:24,110
anything else he just wanted to grab the

1091
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:26,810
glory of it and I'm working on a deal to

1092
00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:28,270
take an expedition out there currently

1093
00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:30,620
but he says they're more than likely put

1094
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:32,150
tie-in and if they are they're the only

1095
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:34,930
ones in existence so

1096
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:36,670
there's stuff out there man all over the

1097
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:38,230
desert I'm Kurt anyone listening to this

1098
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:41,800
go on Google Earth go 50-mile radius of

1099
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:43,270
your home and start exploring you're

1100
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:46,390
gonna find stuff man yeah it's awesome

1101
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:49,569
I'm with you and I absolutely used to

1102
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:51,130
have this attitude that everything's

1103
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:52,930
been discovered and there's no great

1104
00:42:58,859 --> 00:42:56,530
mysteries and that is so so untrue and

1105
00:43:00,900 --> 00:42:58,869
nobody's spotlight is on ancient

1106
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,910
American cultures for the most part I

1107
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:03,839
think there's malls built right next to

1108
00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:06,790
mounds and all kinds of crazy stuff like

1109
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:09,190
we've probably covered a lot of it but I

1110
00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:10,690
think there's still a lot out there all

1111
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:13,660
across America yeah without a doubt

1112
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:14,950
without a doubt there's you know it's

1113
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:17,260
like when we gave that worthless strip

1114
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:19,210
of land to the Navajos years and years

1115
00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:20,920
ago then they find out there's uranium

1116
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:23,349
and coal under it right mmm not so

1117
00:43:25,799 --> 00:43:25,150
worthless anymore what are we gonna

1118
00:43:27,569 --> 00:43:25,809
discover

1119
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:27,579
a hundred years from now when we have

1120
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:30,760
equipment to tap into dark matter or

1121
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:33,670
energy where there's forces around us

1122
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:35,050
that these energy spots that are gonna

1123
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:37,780
be revalued you know that's what I think

1124
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:39,130
about when I walk by these ancient sites

1125
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:42,490
right so let me ask you about these

1126
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,270
stories of ancient Giants or this oldest

1127
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:49,119
cannibalistic tribe of red-haired Giants

1128
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:51,970
that some Native American tribes have

1129
00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:54,609
legends of do you think there is truth

1130
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,440
to that again the Smithsonian comes up

1131
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,720
in those stories not returning the bones

1132
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:00,400
that were sent to them so that was kind

1133
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:03,160
of a interesting correlation there but

1134
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:05,470
what are your thoughts on those stories

1135
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:09,450
so Giants are one of my favorite topics

1136
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,040
of course I'll never be a Stephen Quayle

1137
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,280
he writes amazing information about it

1138
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:17,440
but not all of it there's a lot of it he

1139
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:19,569
misses because he can't you know get to

1140
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:22,089
everything I've asked every one of my

1141
00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:24,280
Native American friends Apaches Hopi

1142
00:44:30,569 --> 00:44:27,640
Navajo Paiute every one of them without

1143
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:30,579
fail talk about Giants not only the fact

1144
00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:31,780
that they were cannibals and hunted

1145
00:44:38,789 --> 00:44:35,740
humans but that sometimes they came from

1146
00:44:40,799 --> 00:44:38,799
those Giants as well and it is

1147
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:40,809
ubiquitous just like Genesis 6:4 talks

1148
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:42,790
about the creation story those Giants

1149
00:44:49,319 --> 00:44:45,670
are always tied to a flood story

1150
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:49,329
there's a story I wrote about Hoke H Oh

1151
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:51,609
a posture fee okay down here on the Gila

1152
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:53,369
River with the Gila people

1153
00:44:59,339 --> 00:44:56,710
there's K ho which is a modern-day story

1154
00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:59,349
of a so-called alleged giant around the

1155
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,910
Hoover Dam that they found the bones

1156
00:45:06,989 --> 00:45:03,119
right sometime and I believe the 50s

1157
00:45:10,229 --> 00:45:06,999
there's the red-haired Giants up in the

1158
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:10,239
Lovelock cave in Nevada the Navajos have

1159
00:45:13,739 --> 00:45:12,249
the stories of the twin Giants right and

1160
00:45:14,819 --> 00:45:13,749
the I'm sorry of the Giants and the

1161
00:45:18,089 --> 00:45:14,829
twins that kill them

1162
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,099
the Apaches called the Giants the Gwyn

1163
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:19,359
dippin's and they lived in the

1164
00:45:23,489 --> 00:45:21,190
Superstition Mountains just east of

1165
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,499
Phoenix Arizona in fact if you ever come

1166
00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:25,359
to the valley and you go out towards

1167
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:27,069
Apache Junction into the superstitions

1168
00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:30,460
you'll see all these rock spires coming

1169
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:32,200
up on the west side well they believe

1170
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:33,730
that those were the Giants that got

1171
00:45:38,729 --> 00:45:35,980
caught by the water couldn't get up and

1172
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:38,739
they turn to stone which kind of ties

1173
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,630
into the story of a lot of Sodom and

1174
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:41,920
Gomorrah when his wife turns around and

1175
00:45:46,499 --> 00:45:43,569
turns to a pillar of ash or a salt

1176
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:46,509
pillar you see these congruences and

1177
00:45:50,549 --> 00:45:48,249
these metaphors through these ancient

1178
00:45:52,049 --> 00:45:50,559
Native American stories and the biblical

1179
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:52,059
ones and the biblical one is the one I

1180
00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:54,670
you know being European and all those

1181
00:45:58,559 --> 00:45:56,680
stories I'm sure they go into all the

1182
00:46:00,239 --> 00:45:58,569
other creation stories as well we know

1183
00:46:02,190 --> 00:46:00,249
that the Vedic talk about I'm in India

1184
00:46:04,049 --> 00:46:02,200
right ancient Ireland the Gaelic the

1185
00:46:05,849 --> 00:46:04,059
pagans talk about in ancient England has

1186
00:46:08,279 --> 00:46:05,859
stories of giants it's just ubiquitous

1187
00:46:08,789 --> 00:46:08,289
and here in the southwest it's no

1188
00:46:12,299 --> 00:46:08,799
different

1189
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:12,309
a couple commonalities between all these

1190
00:46:18,749 --> 00:46:16,450
stories is that there's a woman who goes

1191
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:18,759
off on her own and she's forced or raped

1192
00:46:23,339 --> 00:46:21,369
in the desert and comes back and nine

1193
00:46:26,339 --> 00:46:23,349
months later gives birth to a large

1194
00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:26,349
child I'll just kind of retell the story

1195
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:28,900
of Hulk for you here sure this takes

1196
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:31,690
place not far from sand/tan which it's

1197
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,980
kind of its own town but it can be

1198
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:34,480
considered a suburb of Phoenix off to

1199
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:35,170
the southeast

1200
00:46:39,509 --> 00:46:37,569
the santan mountains and the Gila Indian

1201
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:39,519
tribe out there a woman goes out gets

1202
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:42,609
violated gives birth to a girl and the

1203
00:46:49,019 --> 00:46:47,170
girl is big and she bites a lot and

1204
00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:49,029
she's violent and cries a lot and as she

1205
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:50,859
grows older you know she starts

1206
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:53,380
developing these paws like feet like

1207
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,900
paws of a dog or an animal and she has

1208
00:46:59,310 --> 00:46:58,480
claws on her hand not nails and the

1209
00:47:00,450 --> 00:46:59,320
other boys won't play

1210
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:00,460
with her and the girls won't play with

1211
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,530
her so she joins the hunting parties

1212
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:04,000
with the men and she hunts with the men

1213
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:06,340
for a couple years and after a while the

1214
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:07,990
men are like damn she's mean you know

1215
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,460
she's like chasing down rabbits and

1216
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:10,720
ripping them apart with her teeth and

1217
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:12,550
and she's fighting with the men and she

1218
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:14,860
killed a man once and no more she and a

1219
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:16,030
lot of hunt with us anymore she's out of

1220
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:16,570
control

1221
00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:18,730
so they kick her out of the tribe and

1222
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:21,550
she goes to live in a cave in the San

1223
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:22,870
Tan Mountains I know right where the

1224
00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:24,430
caves at I've been there yet cuz it's on

1225
00:47:29,610 --> 00:47:26,500
the Indian rezoned I don't know any any

1226
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:29,620
Gila natives take me out there but it's

1227
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:30,970
there and there's a big effigy by the

1228
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:33,160
way made in rocks at the base of this

1229
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,510
cave and that's for her still there

1230
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:36,880
today this big rock design at the bottom

1231
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:39,260
of this cave it's still out there

1232
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,210
but she goes live in this cave and then

1233
00:47:45,730 --> 00:47:42,800
notice you know months later that all

1234
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:45,740
the deer are disappearing and then the

1235
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:48,230
children start disappearing and they

1236
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:49,910
realized that she has this insatiable

1237
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:52,340
appetite and hunger and they know what's

1238
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:53,810
going on so they go to the medicine man

1239
00:47:57,610 --> 00:47:55,880
and say what are we gonna do and they

1240
00:47:59,680 --> 00:47:57,620
say what's throw a big party for her and

1241
00:48:01,540 --> 00:47:59,690
we have to kill her somehow so let's get

1242
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:01,550
her drunk so anyway the story goes on

1243
00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:04,010
but they bring her to the festival and

1244
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:05,720
for four days they give her alcohol

1245
00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:08,750
fermented cactus fruit wine and you

1246
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:10,820
dance they make her exhausted and they

1247
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:13,190
carry her back to her cave and they

1248
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:15,320
stick her in this cave and they piled up

1249
00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:17,240
with mesquite and wood and they light it

1250
00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:19,820
on fire and she screams as she's dying

1251
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:21,980
and she's dead

1252
00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:23,990
the story goes on from there that her

1253
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:26,120
spirit comes out her body and cracks the

1254
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:27,710
top of the cave and there is a crack in

1255
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:29,180
the rock right there and it shoots into

1256
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:31,970
a bird and the bird comes down and lands

1257
00:48:34,570 --> 00:48:33,800
in a pot of beans and some medicine man

1258
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,580
eats the beans

1259
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:37,280
so it's possession the story goes on to

1260
00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:39,170
possession and they have to go to the

1261
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:40,580
top of South Mountain in south Phoenix

1262
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:42,230
and get a medicine man to come down

1263
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,670
because that's where the medicine men

1264
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:45,200
live and South mountains its own thing

1265
00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:47,930
as well but they eventually get rid of

1266
00:48:53,950 --> 00:48:50,390
the spirit of Hoek and she no longer

1267
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:53,960
torments them it's kind of crazy but if

1268
00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:55,910
you start studying Native American

1269
00:49:00,810 --> 00:48:57,830
stories mythology you know where the

1270
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:00,820
lines are drawn between the morals right

1271
00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:03,950
and actual event kind of like the Bible

1272
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:06,020
with the parables and whatnot mm-hmm I

1273
00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:08,090
love those kind of stories and I just

1274
00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:11,390
love the tales of giants it seems so

1275
00:49:16,510 --> 00:49:13,340
far-fetched but I think there's enough

1276
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:16,520
there to you know put it in the true

1277
00:49:22,510 --> 00:49:20,510
column and I took a research tour of our

1278
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:22,520
mania with Graham Hancock a couple of

1279
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:25,370
years ago as like two weeks and the

1280
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,910
local researchers would talk about

1281
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:30,800
giants and places where bones were found

1282
00:49:35,110 --> 00:49:32,870
and Graham would roll his eyes and say

1283
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:35,120
he wasn't interested in those giant

1284
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:36,890
stories didn't believe him but I would

1285
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:39,110
always pry a little bit more I'd be like

1286
00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:41,210
you know I get the translator hey can

1287
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,430
you ask Baskin a little more about that

1288
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:45,440
giant thing like and I'd get a few more

1289
00:49:50,530 --> 00:49:48,590
sentences and I just loved to throw that

1290
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,540
out there because these local Romanian

1291
00:49:54,049 --> 00:49:52,079
researchers have almost zero

1292
00:49:56,749 --> 00:49:54,059
reach but they also have a lot of

1293
00:49:59,660 --> 00:49:56,759
fascinating stuff they found in the area

1294
00:50:02,209 --> 00:49:59,670
but to go back to that section of your

1295
00:50:04,489 --> 00:50:02,219
bio that I read in that paragraph

1296
00:50:07,279 --> 00:50:04,499
you mentioned secret Springs and I'm

1297
00:50:09,130 --> 00:50:07,289
curious if this is a reference to Castle

1298
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:09,140
hot springs or something else

1299
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,329
no it's there's other Springs out there

1300
00:50:17,479 --> 00:50:14,640
on map you have to keep in mind that

1301
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:17,489
I've walked and backpacked miles and

1302
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:19,049
miles and miles of desert and there's

1303
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:20,729
something mystical and literally

1304
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:22,380
spiritual and sacred about water in the

1305
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:24,690
desert there are Springs that are not on

1306
00:50:30,019 --> 00:50:28,049
maps out their secret Springs that are

1307
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,029
coming out of an old pipe you know that

1308
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:32,160
some cowboy stuck in the ground or that

1309
00:50:35,749 --> 00:50:34,049
are underground and don't surface and

1310
00:50:37,819 --> 00:50:35,759
you can go under these caves and find

1311
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:37,829
them there are secret springs in the

1312
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:39,900
desert and that's what I was talking

1313
00:50:44,979 --> 00:50:42,209
about there was a half-breed Eddy

1314
00:50:47,779 --> 00:50:44,989
benegas half Mexican cowboy out there

1315
00:50:49,940 --> 00:50:47,789
back then I used to brew beer and he was

1316
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,950
a bit of a imbibe er he would come over

1317
00:50:52,819 --> 00:50:51,359
and I would give him my homebrew and he

1318
00:50:54,019 --> 00:50:52,829
would tell me these ancient stories and

1319
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:54,029
all the secrets of the desert out there

1320
00:50:59,059 --> 00:50:56,910
pretty good arrangement that's great and

1321
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:59,069
he told me he said get your maps out and

1322
00:51:01,279 --> 00:51:00,059
we would sit there and have a couple

1323
00:51:04,219 --> 00:51:01,289
brews and he would tell me where these

1324
00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:04,229
ancient places were I was lucky I was

1325
00:51:08,749 --> 00:51:07,079
lucky to have him there but yeah they're

1326
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:08,759
out there Castle hot springs is another

1327
00:51:13,939 --> 00:51:11,400
story yeah it's at the base of the

1328
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:13,949
Bradshaw Mountains it is the first

1329
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,640
territorial capital of Arizona before it

1330
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:19,859
started rolling around it's a very

1331
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:21,420
powerful spot it's known as the healing

1332
00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:23,640
Springs to the Yavapai as well as the

1333
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:26,099
Apache even in times of war people were

1334
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:28,529
granted pass to go in there in more

1335
00:51:32,839 --> 00:51:30,390
modern day times when the colonization

1336
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:32,849
happened the governors and the wealthy

1337
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:34,529
the Carnegie's the Rockefellers would

1338
00:51:38,539 --> 00:51:35,849
come to Arizona they would hang out

1339
00:51:41,479 --> 00:51:38,549
there in these Springs later on JFK came

1340
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:41,489
there and he healed up right lots of

1341
00:51:45,049 --> 00:51:43,650
famous people wealthy people have come

1342
00:51:47,779 --> 00:51:45,059
from around the world to sit in these

1343
00:51:50,959 --> 00:51:47,789
Springs Castle Hot Springs is known as

1344
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:50,969
the deepest rock water in Arizona that

1345
00:51:56,209 --> 00:51:53,339
we know of it's at least 7,000 feet deep

1346
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:56,219
it comes out I want to see us I can't

1347
00:51:59,660 --> 00:51:57,180
remember I wrote the article years ago

1348
00:52:02,120 --> 00:51:59,670
guys it was 120 degrees I think and

1349
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:02,130
there's three pools and each pool is a

1350
00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:04,380
little bit cooler they had built the

1351
00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:05,980
capital of Arizona right there

1352
00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:07,420
and when the train came through

1353
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:09,220
Wickenburg there was a stagecoach that

1354
00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:10,570
would run up there into those mountains

1355
00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:12,070
to where that was they used to hang

1356
00:52:15,329 --> 00:52:13,420
people from the front steps of this

1357
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:15,339
territorial capital it was the

1358
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:17,560
governor's office and it was the hanging

1359
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:19,210
tree and it was the whole you know

1360
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:20,710
business it was everything it was kind

1361
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:22,780
of a cool little piece of history it was

1362
00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:24,220
bought out by a number of different

1363
00:52:29,099 --> 00:52:26,500
people through the years Arizona State

1364
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:29,109
University bought it and as of last year

1365
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:30,760
I think it just changed hands again I

1366
00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:32,050
haven't looked at who's got it but

1367
00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:34,060
they're talking of opening it back up

1368
00:52:40,349 --> 00:52:36,700
for memberships and to go in there and

1369
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:40,359
sit in the springs and heal so this

1370
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:42,820
caught my attention because I had been

1371
00:52:48,089 --> 00:52:45,790
studying the ancient colonization of our

1372
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:48,099
country and Ponce de Leon right in the

1373
00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:51,010
Fountain of Youth well this also ties

1374
00:52:56,370 --> 00:52:53,320
into a guy who was doing a lot of work

1375
00:52:58,170 --> 00:52:56,380
here in the 70s on the monoatomic gold

1376
00:52:59,730 --> 00:52:58,180
yeah have you heard of well that whole

1377
00:53:03,480 --> 00:52:59,740
thing started right here in Phoenix he

1378
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:03,490
was a farmer to the southwest and he had

1379
00:53:07,170 --> 00:53:04,680
was trying to figure out how to

1380
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:07,180
chemically get rid of the alkalinity on

1381
00:53:12,089 --> 00:53:09,130
a soil he's pouring chemicals on his

1382
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:12,099
soil and he takes in the soil to get a

1383
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,380
say and he finds this new element right

1384
00:53:18,359 --> 00:53:16,960
it intrigues them he spends hundreds of

1385
00:53:20,849 --> 00:53:18,369
thousands of dollars and buys a

1386
00:53:23,069 --> 00:53:20,859
spectrometer and discovers a new element

1387
00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:23,079
what he calls monoatomic gold when he

1388
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:25,060
hits it a certain frequency for the burn

1389
00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:27,250
off it leaves the dimension it

1390
00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:29,140
disappears completely then it reappears

1391
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,180
again well while this is happening

1392
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:34,000
he's patenting it he's forming his own

1393
00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:35,530
dare I say religion but he's still out

1394
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:37,660
there you can look up monoatomic gold

1395
00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:38,890
and get into all the research yourself

1396
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:40,750
it's quite copious its exhaustive to

1397
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:43,810
tell you the truth but what he's saying

1398
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:48,490
is that this monoatomic gold is what

1399
00:53:52,109 --> 00:53:50,410
bridges the synapses in the brain kind

1400
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,119
of like spice on that movie dune you

1401
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,400
member the old sci-fi dune yes yeah

1402
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:57,520
basically it's just like spice and that

1403
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,690
the natives would eat at the medicine

1404
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:01,119
men would eat it he's parking it back to

1405
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:04,089
ancient Egypt with Moses and Mount Sinai

1406
00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:05,800
and that they used to manufacture it

1407
00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:09,550
there well I met a guy in Florida who

1408
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:12,040
said yeah well the Fountain of Youth

1409
00:54:16,829 --> 00:54:14,650
down here in Florida what it is is you

1410
00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:16,839
have this gold washing off of the

1411
00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:19,990
mainland it hits the limestone

1412
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,360
bed and it goes down deep in those

1413
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:24,160
caverns and it becomes pressurized so

1414
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:25,930
all this heavy metal sinks way way way

1415
00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:28,150
way down there and you have the

1416
00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:29,740
nutritious salts coming in off the ocean

1417
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:33,220
in all this cocktail getting pressurized

1418
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:36,550
underground for who knows how long and

1419
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:39,400
then coming up in in artesian spring so

1420
00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:43,210
a natural engine or a natural foundry if

1421
00:54:47,340 --> 00:54:44,920
you will that creates this monoatomic

1422
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,350
Gold Underground through the salts and

1423
00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:49,119
the limestone the nutritious soils the

1424
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:51,070
heat and the pressure and then coming up

1425
00:54:56,310 --> 00:54:53,890
through an artesian spring well to tie

1426
00:55:00,480 --> 00:54:56,320
this back to Arizona here the Bradshaw

1427
00:55:01,830 --> 00:55:00,490
mountains are the most mineralized

1428
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,840
mountain range in the United States of

1429
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:03,760
America it's been told there's more

1430
00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:06,490
heavy metals gold silver and other heavy

1431
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:08,260
metals around that mountain than

1432
00:55:12,810 --> 00:55:09,850
anywhere else the concentration only

1433
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:12,820
it's not confident of to actually dig it

1434
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,550
out it's all spread out well if you have

1435
00:55:19,710 --> 00:55:17,200
are the southern end of that right at

1436
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:19,720
the bottom of that drainage a spring

1437
00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:22,060
coming up it what's the chances of those

1438
00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:24,460
heavy metals going down and pressurizing

1439
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:26,560
7,000 feet and coming up we know there's

1440
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:27,760
a healing spring there that's been

1441
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:29,800
revered by all Native Americans in

1442
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:31,690
ancient times we know that the wealthy

1443
00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:32,980
and the elite came here and the first

1444
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:34,750
thing they did in Arizona was a build a

1445
00:55:38,670 --> 00:55:36,450
territorial capital on the spring

1446
00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:38,680
there's something to it you know I'm

1447
00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:41,590
convinced money and wealth and power

1448
00:55:48,359 --> 00:55:46,270
does not gravitate arbitrarily they seek

1449
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:48,369
out power and they take the good stuff

1450
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:50,230
and if they came right here when they

1451
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:51,880
first got to Arizona there's a reason

1452
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:54,310
for it you know we wouldn't know until

1453
00:55:58,859 --> 00:55:56,440
1970s about the monoatomic gold but I

1454
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:58,869
think that's the science underneath it

1455
00:56:01,680 --> 00:55:59,950
and that's for someone else to go

1456
00:56:03,570 --> 00:56:01,690
through and figure out I can't be an

1457
00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:03,580
expert in everything but I can connect

1458
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:04,600
enough dots to tell you there's

1459
00:56:10,109 --> 00:56:07,540
something there absolutely man we have

1460
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:10,119
talked on the show about alchemy and the

1461
00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:12,130
idea of Ormus I think that's another

1462
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:13,960
term people use for this stuff and you

1463
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:15,970
mentioned that popping into another

1464
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:17,530
dimension that's exactly how they

1465
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:19,180
describe this stuff yep there's a

1466
00:56:24,359 --> 00:56:21,460
documentary out there called all the

1467
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:24,369
gold you can eat where a guy talks to

1468
00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:27,100
five or six different older gentlemen

1469
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:29,109
who have spent their lives keeping this

1470
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,450
secret or working on this in secret and

1471
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:33,520
it's fascinating I mean

1472
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:36,690
even some suggestion that the large

1473
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:38,890
corporations know this stuff and they

1474
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:42,400
have highly guarded secret bunkers where

1475
00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:44,200
they're actually making the things that

1476
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:46,120
they're saying are artificially scarce I

1477
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:47,950
mean who knows you can imagine that that

1478
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:49,210
would just be something that would be

1479
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:51,310
one of the biggest secrets you'd want to

1480
00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:54,640
keep and in terms of water yeah I

1481
00:56:58,050 --> 00:56:56,230
absolutely think water has healing

1482
00:57:00,420 --> 00:56:58,060
properties in certain conditions

1483
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:00,430
maybe natural sights did give ancient

1484
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:02,890
people insight into this and there's

1485
00:57:06,330 --> 00:57:04,570
techniques probably to amplify it

1486
00:57:08,790 --> 00:57:06,340
further it's no surprise that our modern

1487
00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:08,800
water supply is such [\h__\h] quality and

1488
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:12,280
this information is so suppressed and as

1489
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:14,290
a side note this was something that I

1490
00:57:18,570 --> 00:57:15,910
thought was pretty damn interesting too

1491
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:18,580
from your article about Castle Hot

1492
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:19,440
Springs

1493
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,900
David Copperfield has claimed to have

1494
00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:24,400
discovered a Fountain of Youth on one of

1495
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:27,700
his eleven islands purchased in 2006 for

1496
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:29,740
fifty million dollars to quote mr.

1497
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,900
Copperfield I've discovered a true

1498
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:34,720
phenomenon you can take dead leaves they

1499
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:36,370
come in contact with the water and

1500
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:38,650
become full of life again bugs or

1501
00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:40,570
insects that are near death come in

1502
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,670
contact with the water and they'll fly

1503
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:45,280
away it's an amazing thing very very

1504
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:48,250
exciting he also states we found this

1505
00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:51,400
liquid that in its simple stages can

1506
00:57:55,710 --> 00:57:53,380
actually do miraculous things Brown

1507
00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:55,720
leaves turn green it is natural simple

1508
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,430
organisms that are near death are

1509
00:58:01,260 --> 00:57:59,920
rejuvenated so we don't know about the

1510
00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:01,270
effects on humans but we're doing

1511
00:58:07,050 --> 00:58:03,400
research and development I mean that

1512
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:07,060
sounds like this kind of monoatomic gold

1513
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:10,240
or miss fluid I mean it all ties into

1514
00:58:14,310 --> 00:58:12,190
ether physics and this all cut all this

1515
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:14,320
stuff I think is suppressed and also

1516
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:15,910
synergistic like you mentioned earlier

1517
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:18,250
it all ties them together and to point

1518
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:19,810
out David convertibles islands aren't

1519
00:58:23,730 --> 00:58:21,970
that far from Florida it's right there

1520
00:58:25,650 --> 00:58:23,740
right it's not raft the coast there it's

1521
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:25,660
like I said early on everything

1522
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,730
eventually ties in together at some

1523
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:30,480
point it's really hard to stay on topic

1524
00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:33,070
when we talk about this stuff because

1525
00:58:38,010 --> 00:58:34,750
the Giants go to the model atomic which

1526
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:38,020
goes it just it all ties together so no

1527
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,670
it's fascinating it's it's really

1528
00:58:44,430 --> 00:58:42,160
amazing stuff and to talk about another

1529
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:44,440
ancient site that somewhat of a mystery

1530
00:58:50,109 --> 00:58:47,390
we've all probably heard about the Nazca

1531
00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:50,119
these giant animals and humanoid figure

1532
00:58:53,859 --> 00:58:51,950
outlines that were made to be seen from

1533
00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:53,869
the sky which begs the question why

1534
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:55,910
would a civilization hundreds or

1535
00:58:59,650 --> 00:58:58,010
thousands of years before conventional

1536
00:59:01,299 --> 00:58:59,660
air travel put so much energy into

1537
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,309
building things you can only see from

1538
00:59:06,730 --> 00:59:04,160
the sky well Arizona actually has a site

1539
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:06,740
that's quite similar doesn't it it does

1540
00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:10,010
are called the Blythe intaglio z' so

1541
00:59:13,539 --> 00:59:11,660
that's the name forum they're right

1542
00:59:15,789 --> 00:59:13,549
outside of Blythe California on the

1543
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:15,799
California side there but there are

1544
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:18,410
several of them along the Gila River all

1545
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:19,940
the way into the Phoenix area if you

1546
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:20,900
know where to look they don't like

1547
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:23,150
talking about them the archaeologists

1548
00:59:26,529 --> 00:59:24,319
don't want people out there messing with

1549
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:26,539
them they're made the exact same way

1550
00:59:31,269 --> 00:59:29,839
there is a tarnished patina rock on the

1551
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:31,279
desert floor that's just been baked

1552
00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:34,490
there for millions of years and they

1553
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:37,220
move that rock aside and uncovered the

1554
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:39,170
lighter rock underneath it and these

1555
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:41,390
designs that whomever made we don't know

1556
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:44,180
who made them are a horse or doglike

1557
00:59:49,029 --> 00:59:46,670
creature there's one of a woman with

1558
00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:49,039
really really long arms there's another

1559
00:59:54,609 --> 00:59:51,400
one of someone spearing a fish and

1560
00:59:56,109 --> 00:59:54,619
there's other ones there as well there's

1561
00:59:58,210 --> 00:59:56,119
also the one like I mentioned just a

1562
01:00:00,880 --> 00:59:58,220
minute ago with Hoke the rocks are laid

1563
01:00:02,259 --> 01:00:00,890
out there's some if I understand along

1564
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:02,269
the Gila River not far from Gila Bend

1565
01:00:08,289 --> 01:00:04,910
out in the desert along the river as

1566
01:00:11,950 --> 01:00:08,299
well so they're all out there to me it

1567
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:11,960
would make sense that the Nazca or maybe

1568
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:14,960
someone who was there with them migrated

1569
01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:17,930
up there nowhere near as big and as

1570
01:00:24,009 --> 01:00:21,230
perfect and intricate as the ones in

1571
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:24,019
Nazca but they are here it's kind of

1572
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,210
like it would be to the Nazca lines what

1573
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:28,880
the later pyramids were in Egypt to the

1574
01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:30,200
Great Pyramid right they just weren't

1575
01:00:34,809 --> 01:00:32,180
quite as awesome mm-hmm

1576
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:34,819
they came after no doubt but yeah

1577
01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:37,190
they're here I saw the pictures that you

1578
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:38,779
put up of them they're pretty impressive

1579
01:00:43,089 --> 01:00:40,730
I mean a lot of people probably see

1580
01:00:45,009 --> 01:00:43,099
these Nazca lines on TV and they're like

1581
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:45,019
man I wish I could go there meanwhile

1582
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:46,910
you're probably just a few states over

1583
01:00:51,130 --> 01:00:49,609
from something very very similar it's

1584
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:51,140
just not on television so you didn't

1585
01:00:54,430 --> 01:00:52,730
know about it it's just kind of crazy

1586
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:54,440
yeah you know and they've gone through

1587
01:00:57,759 --> 01:00:55,970
and they ask these natives they said so

1588
01:00:59,710 --> 01:00:57,769
why did you guys build this and that's

1589
01:01:00,110 --> 01:00:59,720
mojave country they're like we didn't

1590
01:01:02,110 --> 01:01:00,120
make

1591
01:01:06,050 --> 01:01:02,120
they were here when we got here you know

1592
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:06,060
I love that kind of stuff you know I've

1593
01:01:13,150 --> 01:01:09,420
asked a lot of guests about insight from

1594
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:13,160
Native American tribes because it is so

1595
01:01:17,810 --> 01:01:15,810
kept close to the chest for them they

1596
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:17,820
don't really give a lot of the secrets

1597
01:01:21,410 --> 01:01:19,860
out and why would they you know you know

1598
01:01:23,540 --> 01:01:21,420
we don't really deserve them in a lot of

1599
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:23,550
cases but there are people like yourself

1600
01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:26,610
who do make friends with them and

1601
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,030
sometimes get great insight from them

1602
01:01:34,610 --> 01:01:31,440
when they open up a little bit

1603
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:34,620
I'm just curious broadly speaking if you

1604
01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:36,690
could talk to us a little bit more about

1605
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:38,790
that kind of thing because it's just

1606
01:01:42,250 --> 01:01:40,380
like where else are we going to learn

1607
01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:42,260
this stuff

1608
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,220
yeah when you're talking with natives

1609
01:01:48,460 --> 01:01:47,359
first of all they're like everyone else

1610
01:01:50,859 --> 01:01:48,470
they're just human they're just people

1611
01:01:52,359 --> 01:01:50,869
right they know what they know Europeans

1612
01:01:53,859 --> 01:01:52,369
especially have some they think they're

1613
01:01:54,970 --> 01:01:53,869
like magical creatures or something no

1614
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:54,980
they're thin-skinned mammals the

1615
01:01:58,839 --> 01:01:57,170
opposable thumbs just like us and they

1616
01:02:01,420 --> 01:01:58,849
have cellphones and drive Chevy trucks

1617
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:01,430
but they have something else they have

1618
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:05,150
an ancient history that they don't want

1619
01:02:09,790 --> 01:02:07,730
to be corrupted right you know when I

1620
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:09,800
talked to my Apache friend Albert he's a

1621
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:12,050
full-blooded mescal era he'll tell me

1622
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:13,369
stories of you know what his grandfather

1623
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:15,470
told me but they only know what they

1624
01:02:20,260 --> 01:02:18,170
know some natives are more willing to

1625
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:20,270
talk about this stuff others aren't I've

1626
01:02:23,380 --> 01:02:21,680
written a ton about skinwalkers and I

1627
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:23,390
have a gentleman I've been in touch with

1628
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:25,369
from the res and he's open about

1629
01:02:30,060 --> 01:02:27,530
skinwalkers one of the only names I've

1630
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:30,070
ever known who is most of them will not

1631
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:32,450
it just got to be courteous and you have

1632
01:02:37,450 --> 01:02:34,880
to know when to stop asking questions

1633
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:37,460
and you have to ask a question a certain

1634
01:02:42,099 --> 01:02:39,710
way without being intrusive and it's

1635
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:42,109
just respect and politeness but if you

1636
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:43,730
let them tell you what they want to tell

1637
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:46,640
you and if you know how to listen you'll

1638
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:49,760
really start picking stuff up if that

1639
01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:52,040
makes any sense does you know I have a

1640
01:02:54,970 --> 01:02:53,630
really good friend who's half Paiute I

1641
01:02:56,740 --> 01:02:54,980
grew up with and wickiup and we did a

1642
01:02:58,030 --> 01:02:56,750
lot of hunting together and he taught me

1643
01:02:59,620 --> 01:02:58,040
you know he told me a little bit more

1644
01:03:01,420 --> 01:02:59,630
than the average person than he would

1645
01:03:03,790 --> 01:03:01,430
anyone else when I was at the Grand

1646
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,800
Canyon I guided with a Hopi we lived in

1647
01:03:07,569 --> 01:03:05,599
the same home for about a year we were

1648
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,579
bunkmates right next door so we would

1649
01:03:11,170 --> 01:03:09,680
you know grab a bottle of wine and we'd

1650
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:11,180
all sit there and talk him and of course

1651
01:03:13,660 --> 01:03:12,319
we're all interested in what he had to

1652
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,670
say and he would just weave the stories

1653
01:03:17,230 --> 01:03:15,200
and the tales of his people he was

1654
01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:17,240
coyote clan so he was a warrior he was

1655
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:19,430
in the Marine Corps you know he ties his

1656
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:22,430
ancient duty as the coyote clan into the

1657
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:24,079
modern day life so he went to the

1658
01:03:27,069 --> 01:03:25,490
Marines and he went into battle and came

1659
01:03:27,690 --> 01:03:27,079
back and he's now a guide at the Grand

1660
01:03:29,980 --> 01:03:27,700
Canyon

1661
01:03:32,349 --> 01:03:29,990
they will tell you all kinds of really

1662
01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:32,359
cool stuff and if you ask you know if

1663
01:03:35,530 --> 01:03:33,560
they can tell you they will if they say

1664
01:03:37,420 --> 01:03:35,540
I won't talk about that okay it's cool

1665
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:37,430
you don't but they generally won't

1666
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:39,380
volunteer a lot of information and they

1667
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:43,310
themselves don't put it into a context

1668
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:45,680
that you and I are discussing now they

1669
01:03:50,740 --> 01:03:48,530
might know the story right but they

1670
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:50,750
don't know what it means in relation to

1671
01:03:55,630 --> 01:03:53,359
the ancient Bible or the metaphysics

1672
01:03:57,940 --> 01:03:55,640
that we're talking about

1673
01:04:01,690 --> 01:03:57,950
mm-hmm so they don't have all the pieces

1674
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:01,700
either well man this has been really

1675
01:04:05,950 --> 01:04:03,890
interesting a lot of fun I know there's

1676
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,960
so much more to talk about hopefully we

1677
01:04:10,690 --> 01:04:07,280
can do it again sometime

1678
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:10,700
I'd love to great until then do remind

1679
01:04:14,790 --> 01:04:12,650
the people where to find your website

1680
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:14,800
and any other work you got going on I

1681
01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:18,140
got my website I'm a one-man show it is

1682
01:04:23,620 --> 01:04:21,320
the Phoenix enigma com the Phoenix

1683
01:04:25,030 --> 01:04:23,630
enigma com of course I got a patreon

1684
01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:25,040
there because I'm just if you want to

1685
01:04:28,570 --> 01:04:26,840
support my work please I could really

1686
01:04:29,830 --> 01:04:28,580
use it other than I'm not gonna beg for

1687
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,840
money but if you would like to support

1688
01:04:33,610 --> 01:04:31,280
it that is there as well I would

1689
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:33,620
appreciate it if you do I have a YouTube

1690
01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:35,450
channel where I cover the majority of my

1691
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:37,190
political dia colton's

1692
01:04:42,190 --> 01:04:39,830
and the website even though it's been

1693
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:42,200
more political I am gearing back into

1694
01:04:46,030 --> 01:04:44,810
the Phoenix area as of recently there's

1695
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:46,040
a lot of stuff I've been working on

1696
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:47,510
behind the scenes and someone's come to

1697
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:49,760
come to fruition my book should be out

1698
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,430
early next year or May mid next year I

1699
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:54,880
have to get it edited and it's gonna be

1700
01:05:00,700 --> 01:04:57,770
concentrating on the fingerprints of

1701
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,710
masonry in the Phoenix area and that's

1702
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:02,960
all it's gonna be about going deep into

1703
01:05:06,430 --> 01:05:04,310
what we didn't talk a lot about today

1704
01:05:07,690 --> 01:05:06,440
gonna do another show on that by all

1705
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:07,700
means give me a call and we can talk

1706
01:05:11,710 --> 01:05:09,410
about just that yeah when the book

1707
01:05:13,570 --> 01:05:11,720
launches we should yeah it's gonna be a

1708
01:05:15,820 --> 01:05:13,580
book dedicated to just that and it's

1709
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:15,830
fascinating stuff but and then you're on

1710
01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:17,210
my website I throw in some stuff you

1711
01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:18,620
know some fun stuff about cactus every

1712
01:05:22,510 --> 01:05:19,880
once in a while just stuff to interest

1713
01:05:24,580 --> 01:05:22,520
me being a botanist and whatnot um so

1714
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,590
that's my work it's what I do well it is

1715
01:05:29,770 --> 01:05:26,720
a great website and in the interest of

1716
01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:29,780
trying to coax out some support do you

1717
01:05:34,330 --> 01:05:32,900
have any patreon specific content for

1718
01:05:36,730 --> 01:05:34,340
those people that do support you

1719
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:36,740
financially I will I just opened my

1720
01:05:41,650 --> 01:05:38,510
patreon a few weeks ago so it's brand

1721
01:05:44,170 --> 01:05:41,660
new and I will be making one video a

1722
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:44,180
month for just them you know I got a

1723
01:05:46,540 --> 01:05:45,410
couple I don't have too many tears I

1724
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:46,550
wanted to make it really simple I think

1725
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,980
I've got $3 $5 to $10 and maybe an

1726
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:50,960
advertising one for 60 bucks a month you

1727
01:05:54,790 --> 01:05:52,910
got something want to sell put it out on

1728
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:54,800
my website for 60 bucks leave it there

1729
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:57,050
we'll work it out give me a call we need

1730
01:06:02,110 --> 01:05:58,400
to help each other out in the genre you

1731
01:06:05,260 --> 01:06:02,120
know yes I agree I agree well awesome

1732
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:05,270
again fascinating stuff I do wish I had

1733
01:06:07,569 --> 01:06:07,130
a guy like you in every weird City

1734
01:06:09,699 --> 01:06:07,579
across

1735
01:06:11,499 --> 01:06:09,709
America a major respect for doing this

1736
01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:11,509
work and I hope you keep it up thanks

1737
01:06:14,499 --> 01:06:12,920
for taking the time to go over some of

1738
01:06:15,489 --> 01:06:14,509
it and take care out there well thank

1739
01:06:17,249 --> 01:06:15,499
you for your time today I do appreciate

1740
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:17,259
it you got it

1741
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:20,329
hey-oh higher side chatters back in the

1742
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:23,089
saddle another one on the books Corey

1743
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:25,729
Daniel with the fire of a thousand suns

1744
01:06:31,809 --> 01:06:28,910
I don't really know what I'm saying guys

1745
01:06:34,509 --> 01:06:31,819
but I thought that was a [\h__\h] pretty

1746
01:06:37,509 --> 01:06:34,519
solid show if he asked me when I found

1747
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:37,519
the Phoenix enigma website I saw more

1748
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:38,809
than enough to know we could have a good

1749
01:06:43,569 --> 01:06:41,209
time thankfully Corey actually got back

1750
01:06:46,089 --> 01:06:43,579
to me and we were able to forge a pretty

1751
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:46,099
fun path through his work and he's a

1752
01:06:49,690 --> 01:06:47,839
pretty good speaker for not having done

1753
01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:49,700
very many interviews hopefully he's

1754
01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:52,190
gonna get more requests now cuz I'm sure

1755
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:54,049
there are a decent amount of podcast

1756
01:06:58,029 --> 01:06:55,729
hosts listening who are gonna want to

1757
01:07:01,239 --> 01:06:58,039
pick his brain and that's great

1758
01:07:03,789 --> 01:07:01,249
I've lived in some rural areas but

1759
01:07:05,289 --> 01:07:03,799
nothing as barren as the Arizona desert

1760
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:05,299
and I just think it's really impressive

1761
01:07:09,999 --> 01:07:07,609
that he has cultivated all this

1762
01:07:12,999 --> 01:07:10,009
knowledge spent time with people even

1763
01:07:15,999 --> 01:07:13,009
less connected to society and just heard

1764
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:16,009
their tales old ranchers and prospectors

1765
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:18,890
these are the sorts of insights that I

1766
01:07:25,209 --> 01:07:21,529
would love to dig out of obscurity and

1767
01:07:27,069 --> 01:07:25,219
broadcast to all you guys I just get the

1768
01:07:29,229 --> 01:07:27,079
SPECIAL tingle from that I don't know

1769
01:07:31,959 --> 01:07:29,239
why but what I was getting at is that

1770
01:07:34,420 --> 01:07:31,969
even though I had a lot of questions and

1771
01:07:36,759 --> 01:07:34,430
material fleshed out I started to feel

1772
01:07:38,949 --> 01:07:36,769
like getting a lot more open-ended

1773
01:07:40,809 --> 01:07:38,959
because these little side stories and

1774
01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:40,819
anecdotes tended to come out a bit more

1775
01:07:46,420 --> 01:07:44,180
and that is to me one of those in the

1776
01:07:47,769 --> 01:07:46,430
moment things you got to go with because

1777
01:07:49,959 --> 01:07:47,779
you're not gonna get it next time I

1778
01:07:52,359 --> 01:07:49,969
could always pull up his articles again

1779
01:07:54,099 --> 01:07:52,369
if we have another show I wanted to

1780
01:07:56,890 --> 01:07:54,109
follow a few more of those personal

1781
01:08:00,039 --> 01:07:56,900
leads and I think there are a lot of

1782
01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:00,049
small towns stories so to speak that

1783
01:08:04,689 --> 01:08:02,440
died out because they aren't told

1784
01:08:07,329 --> 01:08:04,699
luckily the technology makes it possible

1785
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:07,339
for us to reach those remote areas

1786
01:08:13,059 --> 01:08:10,609
before it slowly kills us I thought this

1787
01:08:15,489 --> 01:08:13,069
episode fit nicely with Michael one of

1788
01:08:18,459 --> 01:08:15,499
the Susquehanna River alchemy episode

1789
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:18,469
and Ross Ben with the Philadelphia Ben

1790
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:20,020
Franklin show as I said

1791
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:22,510
beginning and this was obviously a bit

1792
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:24,370
broader than the description of some

1793
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:27,130
overarching ritual but I still feel like

1794
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:29,650
we got our hands all over the elephant

1795
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:32,650
there's definitely more meat on the e so

1796
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:35,980
tarik free Masonic Phoenix bone but now

1797
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:37,930
I do feel like Phoenix is a pretty

1798
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:39,850
special place to those settlement

1799
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:42,130
sorcerers and it's not a city that was

1800
01:08:47,070 --> 01:08:44,890
on my radar really at all I just can't

1801
01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:47,080
imagine soaking up all this knowledge

1802
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:50,260
that he has largely in isolation for me

1803
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,359
it's just nice to be able to appreciate

1804
01:08:56,730 --> 01:08:55,120
and then amplify that and I hope you

1805
01:08:59,789 --> 01:08:56,740
were into it too I can't imagine you

1806
01:09:02,550 --> 01:08:59,799
wouldn't be if you're a THC fan I'm not

1807
01:09:05,010 --> 01:09:02,560
so sure about the jungle cultures versus

1808
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,020
desert cultures and violence thing the

1809
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:06,880
more I think about it though because

1810
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:09,460
like look at the Middle East that's

1811
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:12,370
pretty violent look at shamanism in the

1812
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:15,250
Amazon I know that's just an element of

1813
01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:18,010
culture but it has to create a little

1814
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:20,680
bit of a peaceful environment I really

1815
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:22,810
just don't know enough about that to be

1816
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:25,690
weighing in or speculating but when

1817
01:09:29,099 --> 01:09:27,130
Corey brought it up I thought it was an

1818
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:29,109
interesting concept I definitely could

1819
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,230
understand how the environment would

1820
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,000
have such an effect on the psyche I

1821
01:09:39,690 --> 01:09:36,400
looked up some articles that said that

1822
01:09:41,730 --> 01:09:39,700
it's just the more warmer it is the more

1823
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:41,740
violent a culture is I don't think it's

1824
01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:44,650
that simple I mean maybe it's just more

1825
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:47,560
general irritation the heat is

1826
01:09:51,329 --> 01:09:50,049
irritating but so are the bugs of the

1827
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,339
jungle that you wouldn't get in the

1828
01:09:55,290 --> 01:09:53,440
desert you know give me a week of that

1829
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:55,300
and I'd be pretty ready to rip

1830
01:10:01,140 --> 01:09:56,110
somebody's head off

1831
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:01,150
I don't know but in THC news I am sorry

1832
01:10:06,150 --> 01:10:04,480
for the large gap in shows I had to on

1833
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:06,160
the calendar that had to be pushed back

1834
01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:07,810
a couple weeks so I was kind of just

1835
01:10:13,050 --> 01:10:11,110
waiting around for the next batter in

1836
01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:13,060
the lineup which wouldn't really be so

1837
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,590
bad but then the editor was on vacation

1838
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:16,480
and he needed a couple of days to

1839
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:19,330
actually do the job once he got back so

1840
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:23,560
a couple days for a and B and then C it

1841
01:10:26,340 --> 01:10:25,150
starts to stack up and then your ten

1842
01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:26,350
days into the month and the whole

1843
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:29,140
goddamn podcast goes down on iTunes and

1844
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:30,310
then you got a Russian to put out that

1845
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:33,580
fire which means taking that line

1846
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:35,770
a less Christian coast-to-coast hosted

1847
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:38,170
by more mellow Alex Jones had to take

1848
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:40,930
that out of the description and I think

1849
01:10:46,230 --> 01:10:43,510
just that keyword Alex Jones honestly

1850
01:10:48,420 --> 01:10:46,240
had something to do with it but it's

1851
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,430
hard to say because Apple never gave me

1852
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:50,560
any information at all they just flipped

1853
01:10:57,630 --> 01:10:54,760
the switch off I pruned up my podcast

1854
01:11:01,620 --> 01:10:57,640
description and they flipped it back on

1855
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:01,630
and kudos to our shadowy anonymous

1856
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:04,120
podcast editor because he got this back

1857
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:06,190
to me a bit faster than expected he

1858
01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:09,610
clearly busted his ass so respect and

1859
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,950
I'm confident we're back on track now

1860
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:13,840
it's just getting tougher to keep up

1861
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:17,470
when running such a lean operation but

1862
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there are many ways to make sure you get

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notified when a new episode comes out so

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you don't have to keep checking and

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checking and rechecking hopefully you

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use a podcast catch your app that does

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it all for you or just follow me on

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Facebook or Twitter I almost never say

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that because I really don't care if you

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follow me on Facebook or Twitter I don't

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even say very much there except to

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announce new episodes so if that's what

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you want that's where you'll get it and

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for plus you can actually click on the

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websites podcast player and set up email

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notifications that seems to be a pretty

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convenient thing that people have liked

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doing if they need that I just like to

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make sure everybody knows what's

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available even if you don't take

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advantage of it because I didn't get

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several emails the past few weeks with

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Plus questions in case there are other

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people out there with questions of their

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own if you go to the higher side chats

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plus com there is a help frequently

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asked questions page everyone who's even

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half way interested in Plus should just

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read that it's everything you're going

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to want to know step by step photo

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instructions for plugging Plus into apps

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on both Android and Apple phones you

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:31,540
really don't have to ever go to the

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website if you just plug in the plus

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feet into one of these apps like you

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would any other podcast podcast addict

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is the one that I use most on Android it

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01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:43,180
never fails now I'm sorry if you already

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know this stuff but you know you get

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half a dozen emails and you start

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thinking

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yeah I never really communicate these

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things I just kind of assume people will

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figure it out but some don't and then

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they hesitate to become plus members

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because of these sorts of technological

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hurdles and the ambiguity in the gray

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area you can also sign up for the

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patreon it is the same thing but if

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you're familiar with patreon then you

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01:13:15,490 --> 01:13:12,370
might feel that it is more user friendly

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don't let some uncertainty or

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technological hurdle stop you from

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becoming a plus member or enjoying the

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:21,590
second hour of all these great

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interviews you know your iTunes goes

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down sure it might have been somewhat

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technical rather than content related

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but we also got a content strike on

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YouTube again for episode 69 some show

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way back in the beginning when I was

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still numbering them these things happen

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and I do have to wonder like am I gonna

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be able to do this show in 20 years

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maybe I should put a little more energy

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and fuel into the pitch for the premium

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version and I know everybody's probably

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wondering what was in this Plus show

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well I'm gonna tell you we talked about

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Arizona's own Nazca lines did you know

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01:14:05,620 --> 01:14:03,290
that did you know Arizona had a Nazca

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lines type thing

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01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:09,080
the Blythe intaglio z-- how about that

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Google bad we also talked about the

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01:14:15,850 --> 01:14:14,320
secrets and rumors of the Grand Canyon

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01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:15,860
Charles Dutton

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the US reclamation act Seth Tanner and

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the forbidden cave story the sedona

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vortexes dee occulting john mccain's

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free masonic funeral ritual now that was

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01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:29,480
interesting there's a lot of weird

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01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:31,130
things about McCain's funeral of course

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:33,710
he was an Arizona senator and a lot of

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01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:36,290
masonic numbers coming up and all kinds

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01:14:43,450 --> 01:14:39,110
of stuff did he even really die I don't

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01:14:47,950 --> 01:14:43,460
know I don't know we also talked about

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01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:47,960
Trump magic and the Jesuits as well as

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:50,330
the black eye Club did you know that a

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01:14:54,610 --> 01:14:52,610
ton of politicians and actors and just

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01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:54,620
general oligarchs have had some pretty

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01:14:59,770 --> 01:14:56,570
brutal black eyes

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and no real answer for him it's

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01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:02,239
interesting and for people who did hear

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01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,070
the + show it was nice to talk to

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someone who can say yeah some weird

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01:15:10,450 --> 01:15:08,420
stuff is going on with Trump he's doing

1957
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:10,460
some moon magic stuff he's clearly got

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01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:13,820
some esoteric advisors etc without

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01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:16,880
jumping on the Trump cube bandwagon you

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01:15:21,339 --> 01:15:18,860
know I think we did all right with that

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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:21,349
I think we towed that line as opposed to

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01:15:26,050 --> 01:15:24,770
a few weeks ago again plus people are

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the only ones who know what I'm talking

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about

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and that's ok with me also in today's

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flusher that little anecdote about the

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glass company working on military

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contracts harnessing new properties of

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light hmm that was pretty damn

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01:15:44,140 --> 01:15:42,020
interesting see I don't always need an

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01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:44,150
author promoting a new book sometimes

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01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,420
people just out in the world get little

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:50,480
breadcrumbs to really out their stuff

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:53,449
and that's that's that's what I want

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01:15:57,580 --> 01:15:55,010
those open lines to be you know these

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01:15:59,589 --> 01:15:57,590
joint sessions we're doing give me your

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insights your stories the little

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01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:01,760
glimpses and clues that you've gotten at

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the big beast last time I felt like it

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01:16:09,220 --> 01:16:06,800
was a little more about promoting people

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and fighting over dietary choices

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01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,170
although the Unabomber caller was pretty

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01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:14,560
damn compelling more of that and

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01:16:20,589 --> 01:16:17,420
remember the next joint session where I

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01:16:23,379 --> 01:16:20,599
sit here smoke and drink and answer your

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Skype calls or zoom calls technically

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01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:26,929
will be on the 25th of October not that

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01:16:32,530 --> 01:16:30,409
long now coming up quick either way just

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to close this plus thing out sign up for

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the whole shebang if you're listening on

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your phone right now you can just click

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the text in the show description that

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talks about signing up for plus it's a

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big link you click it you put in your

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card two seconds later you add the new

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RSS feed now you got plus and we're best

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friends but as I said we're back in full

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swing I have the second and third shows

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of the month recorded already they're

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going to the editor one of them is a

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return guest who is a preserver of an

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01:17:08,290 --> 01:17:04,760
oral tradition or should I say saga and

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the other is a pretty perfect guest for

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this hole what's up with 300

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devices ether physics and flying saucers

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kick I've been on because he runs those

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conferences so I know you're gonna love

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them and I'm out of here I've done my

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part your move ancient secret keepers

2010
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giant bone hiders and Freemasons of

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Phoenix your [\h__\h] move you're gonna

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love this song - and I kid I kid the

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[Music]

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these rituals will make you a lot of

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scars

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